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i was really pleased to see prime minister netanyahu meet with our ambassador to israel to underscore how important the relationship is between the united states and israel, emphasizing the close security cooperation that we've had significantly and consistently, and we're going to work together to continue to make sure that iran is never allowed to obtain a nuclear weapon. that's going to be critical. >> real quickly, while we have you here, on a more personal note, it is an important day for your good friend gabby giffords, who along with her husband, is going to confront the man who shot her in court when he appears, that is, jared loughner appears for sentencing less than one hour from now. mark kelly preparing to address jared loughner on behalf of their family. this is according to politico. have you spoken to gabby giffords about her feelings about today? >> actually, i spoke with mark yesterday. i think today is going to be the first and last time that gabby will have an opportunity -- gabby and mark will have an opportunity to be in the same room as her attacker. it's an oppo
i was really pleased to see prime minister netanyahu meet with our ambassador to israel to underscore how important the relationship is between the united states and israel, emphasizing the close security cooperation that we've had significantly and consistently, and we're going to work together to continue to make sure that iran is never allowed to obtain a nuclear weapon. that's going to be critical. >> real quickly, while we have you here, on a more personal note, it is an important...
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that's what israel wants to do. we saw how israel says they've destroyed most of those weapons, nevertheless for the first time, there were two long-range rockets fired from gaza towards tel aviv area for the first time, sirens surrounded in cel behind me this evening. two rockets fell harmlessly, close in fields near tel aviv. israel's trying to destroy that threat and say they'll do anything to destroy the threat, threat is still real. yes a ground invasion i would say is a legitimate fear among palestinians it could happen. >> this happen. ss in the context of no ongoing negotiations, nothing has happened on the palestinian front. they have gone to the united nations general assembly for some sort of informal or symbolic status, having a year ago lost their bid for some statehood declared by the security council. what happens next from that perspective? >> well, first of all from a palestinian perspective, two main palestinians factions have been at odds for years. they have been unable to put together a united p
that's what israel wants to do. we saw how israel says they've destroyed most of those weapons, nevertheless for the first time, there were two long-range rockets fired from gaza towards tel aviv area for the first time, sirens surrounded in cel behind me this evening. two rockets fell harmlessly, close in fields near tel aviv. israel's trying to destroy that threat and say they'll do anything to destroy the threat, threat is still real. yes a ground invasion i would say is a legitimate fear...
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israel wants to deal. if there's no deal, then as they keep saying, all options are still open. >> martin fletcher reporting from tel aviv, thanks so much. >>> we want to bring in our political panel. we have nationally syndicated radio talk show host and msnbc contributor michael and perry bacon, political editor. yes men, great to have you here. it seems that every president in modern times has had to deal with the tensions that flair up within the middle east. they always try to talk about overseeing a long-term cease-fire. as we should on the brink of those discussions right now, between gaza and israel, what is the broader impact of the idea that not only will there be a cease-fire, but the fact that israel's neighbors will verify their right to exist, which is the longer formatted problem? >> well, yeah, i think we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves. i think the first step is to cease hostilities. i think that the state department has already said that's step one for secretary of state clinton's arriva
israel wants to deal. if there's no deal, then as they keep saying, all options are still open. >> martin fletcher reporting from tel aviv, thanks so much. >>> we want to bring in our political panel. we have nationally syndicated radio talk show host and msnbc contributor michael and perry bacon, political editor. yes men, great to have you here. it seems that every president in modern times has had to deal with the tensions that flair up within the middle east. they always try...
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breaking news right now from israel. this morning, israeli television is reporting that three israelis were killed in rocket strikes in the southern region of that country. this comes as the israeli military has launched an aggressive campaign to cripple hamas after repeated rocket attacks. as many as 750 this year launched from gaza into southern israel. last night president obama spoke on the phone with prime minister benjamin netanyahu acknowledging israel's right to defend itself following but also urging netanyahu to avoid civilian casualties. hours earlier the israeli government posted this video from youtube showing an air strike yesterday in gaza that killed ahmed al jabari, he is the top military member of hamas. that was a widespread campaign against hamas targets that the israeli military had said it will broaden in the coming days. this morning israeli defense forces, the idf, dropped leaflets over gaza warning residents there to stay away from hamas operatives. >>> also on twitter, a clear message from the i
breaking news right now from israel. this morning, israeli television is reporting that three israelis were killed in rocket strikes in the southern region of that country. this comes as the israeli military has launched an aggressive campaign to cripple hamas after repeated rocket attacks. as many as 750 this year launched from gaza into southern israel. last night president obama spoke on the phone with prime minister benjamin netanyahu acknowledging israel's right to defend itself following...
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according to israel, this is a house belonging to a senior official of hamas, but at the same time there were 12 people inside of that house, including four women and four children. all of them killed. so many people are condemning that attack. meanwhile, it is nighttime here and the people of gaza are bracing themselves for what could be another night of deadly attacks despite the diplomatic activity in cairo. negotiations are under way as well as palestinian factions as to what to do next, but those here in gaza say they are preparing for a ground invasion, and meaning if israel launches a war, they will fight and they are prepared to defend their territory as they say and on the same side israelis say they have finalized preparation for a ground invasion and now it is a matter of a political decision, and certainly something that everybody in cairo is trying to avert, but one that everybody here thinks it is not going to be averted any time soon. thomas? >> well, you talk about the diplomatic conversations in cairo, and what is on the table? what terms are being discussed? >> well, tw
according to israel, this is a house belonging to a senior official of hamas, but at the same time there were 12 people inside of that house, including four women and four children. all of them killed. so many people are condemning that attack. meanwhile, it is nighttime here and the people of gaza are bracing themselves for what could be another night of deadly attacks despite the diplomatic activity in cairo. negotiations are under way as well as palestinian factions as to what to do next,...
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this was just the trial run. >> israel next month. >> israel as well. >> very quickly, mike, because i want to get to this because i was struck by it when we talked about it earlier. a bit about benghazi and susan rice. 97 house republicans sent this letter to president obama. i want to just read a little bit from it. ambassador rice is widely viewed as having willfully or incompetently misled the american public. her actions give u.s. allies and rivals abroad reason to question u.s. commitment and credibility when needed. the president last week in his press conference seemed very gung ho on susan rice. what do you make of the politics of this? as i pointed out to dom and he pointed out, too, 97 house republicans or 250 doesn't matter because this is not a matter for house republicans if he does nominate her. what do you make of the susan rice fight? is it a fight worth having if you're the president of the united states? >> well, look, when i look at the benghazi issue, i see serious issues about security, did we get our understanding of what was going on in libya right? i'm not su
this was just the trial run. >> israel next month. >> israel as well. >> very quickly, mike, because i want to get to this because i was struck by it when we talked about it earlier. a bit about benghazi and susan rice. 97 house republicans sent this letter to president obama. i want to just read a little bit from it. ambassador rice is widely viewed as having willfully or incompetently misled the american public. her actions give u.s. allies and rivals abroad reason to...
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an antimissile defense system made in israel, helped by american money. 900 rockets fired at israel in six days, only about 30 hit populated areas. >> we enjoy the iron dome, which is a huge success. luckily -- >> reporter: there's a siren now. there's a siren now over -- let's see what happens. it will only fire. the system calculates which rockets will hit an inhabited area and knocks it out, like here. and ignores all others. but it fails, too, missing 2 out of 10shgs officials say, making life scary. children in bomb shelters for the sixth straight day. i'm afraid of the siren, this 7-year-old says. another siren. we're just going in the shelter. and just as we left -- not sure how many rockets are being fired right now but the iron dome -- one, two, three, four iron dome rockets are exploding. we'll see what damage it did. five rockets fired from gaza, four intercepted, one got through and fell in a garden. there's some drama right now because nobody knows exactly what happened, whether there are casualties. terrifying some neighbors. others, defiant. >> we will survive. we will s
an antimissile defense system made in israel, helped by american money. 900 rockets fired at israel in six days, only about 30 hit populated areas. >> we enjoy the iron dome, which is a huge success. luckily -- >> reporter: there's a siren now. there's a siren now over -- let's see what happens. it will only fire. the system calculates which rockets will hit an inhabited area and knocks it out, like here. and ignores all others. but it fails, too, missing 2 out of 10shgs officials...
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israel. msnbc's martin fletcher is live in tel-aviv now. has night time offered any relief from the rocket attacks? >> reporter: actually, it hasn't. the rocket attacks continue. an israel town was hit about a half hour ago but the pace has quieted in the central part of israel. all eyes still on this one question whether or not israel will launch a ground invasion into gaza. reserve troops are still being called up, still moving to the units, joining the regular army, poised on them of gaza for the order that they don't know if it will come. meanwhile, there's very strong negotiations going on especially among arab countries with hamas and trying to get hamas to agree to a truce with israel and get israel to agree, too. israel prime minister talking to the american president talking to the egyptian president, who's talking to hamas. a possibility of a truce midweek, which could head off -- would head off an israel invasion in the short term anyway. >>> in 2009 we saw 200 of these rocket atta
israel. msnbc's martin fletcher is live in tel-aviv now. has night time offered any relief from the rocket attacks? >> reporter: actually, it hasn't. the rocket attacks continue. an israel town was hit about a half hour ago but the pace has quieted in the central part of israel. all eyes still on this one question whether or not israel will launch a ground invasion into gaza. reserve troops are still being called up, still moving to the units, joining the regular army, poised on them of...
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israel's been trying to destroy their ability do so. but israel said they had destroyed most of the long-range hamas rockets in last 24 hours but they have been falling. another rocket did fall ten kilometers six or seven miles south of tel aviv, that fell an hour and a half ago, actually while we were driving by, we didn't see it. the capability has not been destroyed apparently. and that suggests that israel will continue with its attack. it will get stronger. and the ground invasion of gaza is possible. the prime minister netanyahu said, israel will do whatever it takes to stop the rockets. >> remind viewers the geography, the tight geography of the area between gaza and israel and we talk about long-range missiles but they don't need to be that long of a range. >> reporter: no, they've got to be 45 miles. 70 kilometers. the distance from one end of manhattan to midway through long island, that's the distance we're talking about. >> martin fletcher, reporting from tel aviv. thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thanks, thomas. >>> i'l
israel's been trying to destroy their ability do so. but israel said they had destroyed most of the long-range hamas rockets in last 24 hours but they have been falling. another rocket did fall ten kilometers six or seven miles south of tel aviv, that fell an hour and a half ago, actually while we were driving by, we didn't see it. the capability has not been destroyed apparently. and that suggests that israel will continue with its attack. it will get stronger. and the ground invasion of gaza...
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are planning to retaliate against israel? >> reporter: no, none whatsoever. they say they're committed to this truce. they don't want the situation to escalate. there has been some criticism as to why the local police allowed the people to get close to the area knowing that that no go area has been in place. i think the misunderstanding, including from the brother of the man who died today, he was saying that it was not clear that that no go area was still being enforced after wednesday's truce. for now palestinian factions here denounced it. they have no intention to retaliate other than to simply complain to the egyptians and mark it as a cease fire violation. >> martin, any view that they'll view it as the palestinians trying to instigate violence? >> reporter: no, that's right. no, i don't think there's any sense here that the palestinians, certainly not hamas, was trying to violence. i don't think anyone believes that this particular incident was part of a bigger picture. it does seem to be what ayman said which is peopl
are planning to retaliate against israel? >> reporter: no, none whatsoever. they say they're committed to this truce. they don't want the situation to escalate. there has been some criticism as to why the local police allowed the people to get close to the area knowing that that no go area has been in place. i think the misunderstanding, including from the brother of the man who died today, he was saying that it was not clear that that no go area was still being enforced after wednesday's...
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israel doesn't want to do that. they want to pair up the old agreements that says are necessary to restrict the flow of goods goo gaza, to restrict the e flow of weapons and israel believes in you allow more products to come into gaza, there will be more weapons coming in and israel is positioned thus far -- stop firing rockets and then with hamas about some of these other things like the trade restrictions. >> we're having a little trouble with your uplink in terms of you jumping in and out of your question. let me ask about secretary of state hillary clinton arriving in the region. what are the best hopes and expectations for what she's going to be able to do? is she going to change anything in terms of the balance of power and how this is likely to be resolved? >> it depends if she can convince the egyptians to convince hamas. they feel confident because the arab spring has given it a new batch of friends. if hillary clinton can pressure hamas and can be persuaded by mohamed morsi her chances are pretty good. if
israel doesn't want to do that. they want to pair up the old agreements that says are necessary to restrict the flow of goods goo gaza, to restrict the e flow of weapons and israel believes in you allow more products to come into gaza, there will be more weapons coming in and israel is positioned thus far -- stop firing rockets and then with hamas about some of these other things like the trade restrictions. >> we're having a little trouble with your uplink in terms of you jumping in and...
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clearly throughout israel. but the fact is, you have this densely populated area and people -- civilians dying because they are living, you know, side by side in the same buildings as hamas leaders that you take out? >> that is the fault of hamas. hamas has put its fighters in the very midst of a densely populated area because they not only have a military strategy of trying to kill the maximum number of israeli citizens, they have a media strategy. they want us to fire back at them and if we injure pll civilians or -- palestinian civilians or kill them tragically, they can use that sensationalize, put the pictures on the newspaper and delegitimize us and deny us the right to defend ourselves. if we injure or god forbid kill palestinians for us that's a tragedy. if they kill israelis for them that's a victory. it's completely different set of rules for hamas and for israel. this time, we were able to reduce in this round of fighting -- the last round was in 2008 -- 2009, a higher level of civilian casualties. w
clearly throughout israel. but the fact is, you have this densely populated area and people -- civilians dying because they are living, you know, side by side in the same buildings as hamas leaders that you take out? >> that is the fault of hamas. hamas has put its fighters in the very midst of a densely populated area because they not only have a military strategy of trying to kill the maximum number of israeli citizens, they have a media strategy. they want us to fire back at them and...
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defended by israel's new hero, the iron dome, an antimissile missile system made in israel helped with american money. of 900 rockets fired at israel in six days, only about 30 hit populated areas. >> we enjoy the iron dome, which is a huge success. and luckily -- >> reporter: there's a siren now. let's see what happens. it will only fire. the system calculates which rockets will hit an inhabited areas, like here, but it misses 2 out of 10, making life scary. children in bomb shelters for the sixth straight day. i'm afraid of the sirens, this 7-year-old says. another siren -- just as we left, not sure how many rockets have been fired right now, but the iron dome -- one, two, three, four iron dome rockets are exploding. we'll see what damage it did. five rockets fired from gaza, four intercepted, one got through and fell in a garden. there's some drama right now. nobody knows if there's casualties. terrifying some neighbors. others defiant. >> we will survive. we will survive. >> nbc's martin fletcher reporting. israel's iron dome comes with a hefty price tag. the u.s. has reportedly sp
defended by israel's new hero, the iron dome, an antimissile missile system made in israel helped with american money. of 900 rockets fired at israel in six days, only about 30 hit populated areas. >> we enjoy the iron dome, which is a huge success. and luckily -- >> reporter: there's a siren now. let's see what happens. it will only fire. the system calculates which rockets will hit an inhabited areas, like here, but it misses 2 out of 10, making life scary. children in bomb...
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it can't really be the basis of a long-term peace plan between israel and hamas or between israel and the palestinian people. that requires a peace process that keeps falling apart and the quote that you brought up was in connection with the constant failures of -- right now there isn't a peace plan on the table. so people -- they're talking about stopping the shooting. there's no peace plan to go back to. there was a peace process four years ago. we can be cynical about how good that was. you can tell the two sides, shot stopping and you have this set of documents to discuss. at this point, there is nothing. all you're saying to both sides is stop shooting. the next question is what happens after that? >> well, so bobby, you have the leaf letting urging the palestinians to move to central locations in gaza. we had netanyahu saying he's open to stronger military action. i'm kind of wondering is the threat of a ground invasion that's been dangled here sort of a reason we're now apparently on the verge of a cease-fire? did that hasten this? >> i'm sure that played a part in this. hamas
it can't really be the basis of a long-term peace plan between israel and hamas or between israel and the palestinian people. that requires a peace process that keeps falling apart and the quote that you brought up was in connection with the constant failures of -- right now there isn't a peace plan on the table. so people -- they're talking about stopping the shooting. there's no peace plan to go back to. there was a peace process four years ago. we can be cynical about how good that was. you...
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how about on israel? after the iraq war debacle, the time when the george bush administration turned grief and anger and horror over what happened on 9/11 into a false pretense for attacking a totally unrelated country and starting a war that it took nine years to get out of. ten years on from that unmitigated foreign policy disaster perpetrated by the last republican administration, ten years later, the democrats who went along with that misadventure paid a heavy political price. it's not an accident that so many leading democrats at the time voted to go along with george bush's march to war. it's not an accident that none of them ended up becoming president. it's not an accident that the guy who did become president was the guy who was against the war from the beginning. these are not two unrelated circumstances. the democratic party had a real reckoning about what they got wrong by going along with that bush administration hoax and that disaster perpetrated on the american people. even the press went t
how about on israel? after the iraq war debacle, the time when the george bush administration turned grief and anger and horror over what happened on 9/11 into a false pretense for attacking a totally unrelated country and starting a war that it took nine years to get out of. ten years on from that unmitigated foreign policy disaster perpetrated by the last republican administration, ten years later, the democrats who went along with that misadventure paid a heavy political price. it's not an...
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so long as israel maintains a siege on gaza. they want it lifted and they want guaranteed backed by the international community that israel will no longer engage and target and kill senior leaders of the palestinian factions here in gaza. they want all of these demands guaranteed by the international community. for its part israel wants to approach it from a different angle. they want a complete cessation of hostilities for 38 hours for so followed by a -- other concerns they have. the challenge for egypt is to try and close that gap as quickly as possible because essentially everyone here feels that they're running out of time. you have the israelis amassed on the border and palestinian factions still firing rockets and caught in the middle are the 19.6 million palestinians living in gaza subject to the attacks from the israeli side. this is the challenge egyptians negotiate with the u.n. officials today including the secretary-general as well as turkey's prime minister and regional leaders participating in these talks. tamron.
so long as israel maintains a siege on gaza. they want it lifted and they want guaranteed backed by the international community that israel will no longer engage and target and kill senior leaders of the palestinian factions here in gaza. they want all of these demands guaranteed by the international community. for its part israel wants to approach it from a different angle. they want a complete cessation of hostilities for 38 hours for so followed by a -- other concerns they have. the...
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israel threatening to take the next step if if hamas doesn't stop the rocket fire into israel. the next step ground troops moving in. we want to bring in ambassador dennis ross, served as adviser to four presidents and is a mideast diplomacy analyst. it's great to have you with me today. big news coming within the last hour, al jazeera reporting that the ceasefire is going to be announced this evening in cairo. now egypt will reportedly be agreeing to oversee this plan which is said to include an easing of the crossroads into gaza. so peace appears to be eminent but what do you make of the transparency of what the outline of it deal is? >> well, i think we still need to see it implemented. having spent a lot of time in the middle east, done a lot of negotiations, one thing i know about this part of the world, nothing is concluded until you actually see it carried out. it's one thing to talk about it. it's something else to do it. so let's actually see the ceasefire take hold. what i'm hearing is that by midnight their time, which would be around 5:00 our time, that's when it mi
israel threatening to take the next step if if hamas doesn't stop the rocket fire into israel. the next step ground troops moving in. we want to bring in ambassador dennis ross, served as adviser to four presidents and is a mideast diplomacy analyst. it's great to have you with me today. big news coming within the last hour, al jazeera reporting that the ceasefire is going to be announced this evening in cairo. now egypt will reportedly be agreeing to oversee this plan which is said to include...
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they hate their neighbor, israel. israel, their neighbor, hates them. most of the area is very, very poor. there is a degree of hopelessness here. they have managed -- the israelis have said to the egyptians, with this deal, now gaza is your problem. if rockets come out of here, the egyptians are going to be responsible for talking to hamas. both of you are sort of from similar parties. the islamic hamas group, which is an offshoot of the muslim brotherhood, and the muslim brotherhood in egypt, hamas managed to say, okay, you two sort things out together, and we'll see how this goes. >> richard, one of the other things i was struck by is how vague what both sides agreed to is. both sides have agreed to not breach acts for this understanding. it's almost like a fortune cookie, meaningless vague. does that vagueness make a stronger agreement or a weaker one. does that say anything to you? >> reporter: i think this got lawyered pretty hard. what that means is that israel is not supposed to carry out any sort of targeted assassinations. and when you start t
they hate their neighbor, israel. israel, their neighbor, hates them. most of the area is very, very poor. there is a degree of hopelessness here. they have managed -- the israelis have said to the egyptians, with this deal, now gaza is your problem. if rockets come out of here, the egyptians are going to be responsible for talking to hamas. both of you are sort of from similar parties. the islamic hamas group, which is an offshoot of the muslim brotherhood, and the muslim brotherhood in egypt,...
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israel intercepted them. an earlier hamas rocket hit a home. >>> ban ki moon will arrive for talks on a cease fire. arab league delegation is set to arrive in gaza on tuesday. let's go to israel. we have a live report from tel aviv. when did you last hear the warning sirens? has it been quite since the one we heard with you an hour ago? >> it was a little over an hour ago and the second time the city heard the sirens. two were fired from gaza heading to tel aviv and they were intercepted by israel's iron dome missile defense system. this is a system the israeli defense forces have been using with great success over the last five days. they say they have shot down or intercepted a third of the rockets that have been lobbied from gaza toward israel. today was no exception. we saw that in the night sky here in tel aviv. >> okay. any update on the cease fire talks that you can report, stephanie? >> at the moment, we know they are underway in cairo. egypt is leading them and you have representatives from the pales
israel intercepted them. an earlier hamas rocket hit a home. >>> ban ki moon will arrive for talks on a cease fire. arab league delegation is set to arrive in gaza on tuesday. let's go to israel. we have a live report from tel aviv. when did you last hear the warning sirens? has it been quite since the one we heard with you an hour ago? >> it was a little over an hour ago and the second time the city heard the sirens. two were fired from gaza heading to tel aviv and they were...
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israel claimed this was a hamas terrorist hub. locals say it was a government building that provides basic services for the residents in that area. we had a chance to visit one of the u.n. schools where thousands of palestinians now are being internally displaced. many of these people are leaving their homes on the eastern part of gaza, going to the u.n. schools and taking up refuge. the u.n. is struggling to cope with the influx of people. it's a dire situation for the residents of the hamas strip. all of this on the back drop of more talks. hillary clinton will be flying to cairo where she will meet egypt's president. many hoped a truce would go into effect last night. it did not. gaza felt like a war zone throughout the evening. a lot is riding on the secretary's visit. >> ayman mohyeldin, thank you very much. >>> we want to go to the mayor of jerusalem. he joins us live from jerusalem over the phone. we want to thank you for the time joining us. we just mentioned the secretary of stated spending there with prime minister netan
israel claimed this was a hamas terrorist hub. locals say it was a government building that provides basic services for the residents in that area. we had a chance to visit one of the u.n. schools where thousands of palestinians now are being internally displaced. many of these people are leaving their homes on the eastern part of gaza, going to the u.n. schools and taking up refuge. the u.n. is struggling to cope with the influx of people. it's a dire situation for the residents of the hamas...
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and in to israel in general. the other issues may not necessarily be involved hamas but the egyptians and the smuggling of weapons in to the gaza strip and more often than not go through the sinai peninsula and egypt's territorial waters and probably pressure on egypt to deliver and secure that smuggling route so that weapons don't end up in hamas' hand. that's what they brought to the table. certainly hamas would only do so with assurances that israel going to stop assassination of the leaders and easing of the blockade and we understand issues discussed perhaps in coming days or weeks. it is really -- it goes back to a central issue, this buys time for the people of did za in terms of attacks and doesn't address the larger issue of gaza in context of the ongoing israeli-palestinian conflict and something people say has to be addressed, part of a larger picture. not an isolated one. >> thanks so much. >>> we want to go to tel aviv and correspondent stephanie gosk joins me. as you were hearing in the reporting, u
and in to israel in general. the other issues may not necessarily be involved hamas but the egyptians and the smuggling of weapons in to the gaza strip and more often than not go through the sinai peninsula and egypt's territorial waters and probably pressure on egypt to deliver and secure that smuggling route so that weapons don't end up in hamas' hand. that's what they brought to the table. certainly hamas would only do so with assurances that israel going to stop assassination of the leaders...
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/israel relations convening this week. thanks very much. what is the significance of what happened at the u.n.? a step forward, a step back or status quo? >> i guess a step sideways, out of the normal channel for resolving the conflict peacefully, that is through negotiati negotiations, sideways to the united nations. it doesn't move the palestinians forward. it's a significant but symbolic act. and if it produces a kind of punitive, vicious circle in which the israelis now announce more settlement activity, the particularly strategic activity it seems to be, and then the palestinians decide to go to the international criminal court who would charge israel with some crimes and then we'll get into a downward spiral, the congress cuts the funds to the palestinian authority, we could be in very negative territory quite quickly and bear in mind that there's an election coming up in israel in which an outbidding process is likely to occur. already you have lieberman calling for the toppling of abu mazen and unfortunately there isn't an actual ne
/israel relations convening this week. thanks very much. what is the significance of what happened at the u.n.? a step forward, a step back or status quo? >> i guess a step sideways, out of the normal channel for resolving the conflict peacefully, that is through negotiati negotiations, sideways to the united nations. it doesn't move the palestinians forward. it's a significant but symbolic act. and if it produces a kind of punitive, vicious circle in which the israelis now announce more...
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then israel would want to move to a second stage where the two sides, israel and the palestinians, would engage in this discussions, negotiations overs the next two weeks to one month talking about potentially ending the siege on gaza, making it easier for palestinians -- >> and clearly we're having difficulty with richard's reporting. surmounts any difficult of technology. richard is reporting on negotiations in cairo -- amman, you're in gaza as well. negotiations would be a immediate cessation of hostilities and a two-stage process within two weeks to a month there would be a broader agreement. we've known from the start that israel wants to do something about changing the reality where these rocket attacks do not continue to come from gaza. at the same time where you're standing in gaza there's a lot of criticism about the counterfire that's come from israel and the way they've been targeting areas that are very dense civilian areas. >> that's correct. in fact a lot of people have been describing it as two types. one it's a disproportionate use of force and more importantly a form of
then israel would want to move to a second stage where the two sides, israel and the palestinians, would engage in this discussions, negotiations overs the next two weeks to one month talking about potentially ending the siege on gaza, making it easier for palestinians -- >> and clearly we're having difficulty with richard's reporting. surmounts any difficult of technology. richard is reporting on negotiations in cairo -- amman, you're in gaza as well. negotiations would be a immediate...
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one is israel is a great ally, there's domestic political support for a strong relationship with israel. at the same time it's also supposed to be the kind of neutral arbiter, the mediator in the region that will bring this about. it seems we don't do a good job of playing those two rules. >> well those two roles have also been intentioned, they've grown more intentioned over time. you had eight years of an administration that really gave up on trying to play the arbiter role, at which point the figure leaf kind of came away. the administration did a great job actually tactically, playing both of those roles in a way that they hadn't done at all during the first term, sending the secretary of state out to be the arbiter while the president could give the defender of israel speeches like that that's a tactical solution that doesn't get anywhere near the long-term structural problem that it isn't the same middle east that it was five years ago. what do you do instead? how do you serve the long-term interests of israel, especially when maybe many americans don't see israel's long-term inte
one is israel is a great ally, there's domestic political support for a strong relationship with israel. at the same time it's also supposed to be the kind of neutral arbiter, the mediator in the region that will bring this about. it seems we don't do a good job of playing those two rules. >> well those two roles have also been intentioned, they've grown more intentioned over time. you had eight years of an administration that really gave up on trying to play the arbiter role, at which...
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would say if 700 rockets hit you, israel has a right to self-defense. if this gets out of hand, you have a new government in egypt that shares some roots, some political roots, with hamas but doesn't want to wreck its relationship with us. you have the situation in syria that is so violent and i think israel knows that it wants to be careful not to let this out of hand. and so maybe this three party, i agree with martin, this three-party agreement could be very important and maybe a sign that in his second term president obama is going to get more engaged in the peace process. there has been talk of sending president clinton as a mideast envoy. i thought that was an intriguing idea. but at least i think this is -- these are all very good signs for the situation. >> e.j., stay with us, and martin fletcher, thanks to you. i want to bring in senator chris koonce. senator, good morning. >> good morning 0, chris. >> the senate did unanimously pass that resolution standing by israel, something you co-response arored. what do you think hillary clinton brings t
would say if 700 rockets hit you, israel has a right to self-defense. if this gets out of hand, you have a new government in egypt that shares some roots, some political roots, with hamas but doesn't want to wreck its relationship with us. you have the situation in syria that is so violent and i think israel knows that it wants to be careful not to let this out of hand. and so maybe this three party, i agree with martin, this three-party agreement could be very important and maybe a sign that...
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southern israel was not quite so lucky. there were five people injured there when a house was targeted by one of the rockets. today the deadliest day for gaza, more than 20 have been killed. the deadliest attack over the course of the day was in a residential building. more than 12 people were killed when the building was hit. and then proceeded to collapse. most of the people that were killed were from the same family, including women and children. richard? >> stephanie, we've been watching channel 2 news out of israel, quoting hamas saying the negotiations for the cease-fire have failed. and saying that 90% of demands, that was hamas is saying. 90% of demands have been met what are you hearing about the cease-fire? >> well our understanding is that those talks continue. even though those comments are being reported by israeli tv, coming from hamas, that the delegates from the palestinian side and from the israeli side. as well as egyptians and a qatari envoy are still talking about the cease-fire possibility. here on the
southern israel was not quite so lucky. there were five people injured there when a house was targeted by one of the rockets. today the deadliest day for gaza, more than 20 have been killed. the deadliest attack over the course of the day was in a residential building. more than 12 people were killed when the building was hit. and then proceeded to collapse. most of the people that were killed were from the same family, including women and children. richard? >> stephanie, we've been...
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as you mentioned israel stops all military action in israel and hamas stops launching rockets on israel and carrying out border attacks on israeli troops but this is the key thing. there is no signed formal agreement here. instead, israel and hamas reached an understanding, a kind of exchange of quiet for quiet. the first phase of a broader agreement. that should be followed by more intense negotiations, those will be anchored and guaranteed we understand by egypt and the united states. to try to resolve the key demands on both sides. of course, for hamas, the lifting of that 6-year-old blockade of gaza. for israel, it's stopping all the weapons smuggling. but neither will happen immediately. at least, however, they have agreed in principle to these demands and the need to work them out. you had a clip of secretary clinton. she went on to call the cease-fire deal a step in the right direction. she said she looks forward in the days ahead she said to consolidating progress for the people of gaza and israel. and experts are saying that's the key difference here. in previous gaza wars, the
as you mentioned israel stops all military action in israel and hamas stops launching rockets on israel and carrying out border attacks on israeli troops but this is the key thing. there is no signed formal agreement here. instead, israel and hamas reached an understanding, a kind of exchange of quiet for quiet. the first phase of a broader agreement. that should be followed by more intense negotiations, those will be anchored and guaranteed we understand by egypt and the united states. to try...
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as ayman said this is the 300 yard no go area israel declared several years ago when israel was worried militants were putting land mines in that area. that's why it's a no go area in that place. so the israelis say they fired warning shots to scare the palestinians away. they fired three times in the air. when that didn't work they -- there was more shooting. the israelis have not confirmed they killed anybody. and they're saying this is no the a cease-fire violation. it's one of the events that have been occurring up and down the border for a long time and they don't see it as part of the cease-fire situation. rather, an attempt to control an unruly palestinian crowd. that's what the israelis are saying. craig? >> nbc's martin fletcher from tel aviv for us this afternoon, thank you much, sir. appreciate that. >>> back here the obama administration continues to try to bring peace to the region. hostilities broke out, president obama dispatched his top diplomat hillary clinton, to calm tensions on wednesday in cairo. she, of course announced that cease-fire standing alongside her egypti
as ayman said this is the 300 yard no go area israel declared several years ago when israel was worried militants were putting land mines in that area. that's why it's a no go area in that place. so the israelis say they fired warning shots to scare the palestinians away. they fired three times in the air. when that didn't work they -- there was more shooting. the israelis have not confirmed they killed anybody. and they're saying this is no the a cease-fire violation. it's one of the events...
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they have fought wars with israel on behalf of the palestinians. this cuts deep in the arab identity and simply won't give it up, won't let anyone assume the negotiations on behalf of the palestinians and that's why people have seen this, the rise of the muslim brother hood and particularly the presidency of mohammed morsi as a positive sin to be a break through for the region for stability and for u.s. interests as well. >> we will certainly be following it. all roads lead to cairo. that's been true for hundreds if not thousands of years. ayman mohyeldin thank you for your reporting from gaza. stay safe. >>> after the break, loopholes, brackets, increased revenue. are democrats and republicans ready to come to the table and make a deal? we will talk to luke russert and martin bashir about getting a piece of the tax pie, next on "now." ♪ [ male announcer ] it's that time of year again. medicare open enrollment. time to compare plans and costs. you don't have to make changes. but it never hurts to see if you can find better coverage, save money, o
they have fought wars with israel on behalf of the palestinians. this cuts deep in the arab identity and simply won't give it up, won't let anyone assume the negotiations on behalf of the palestinians and that's why people have seen this, the rise of the muslim brother hood and particularly the presidency of mohammed morsi as a positive sin to be a break through for the region for stability and for u.s. interests as well. >> we will certainly be following it. all roads lead to cairo....
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. >> america's commitment to israel's security is rock solid and unwavering. that's why we believe it is essential to deescalate the violence in gaza. the goal must promote regional stability and advance the security and legitimate aspirations of israelis and palestinians alike. >> as diplomatic efforts ramp up, the u.s. blocked a u.n. security council resolution yesterday condemning the conflict because the resolution didn't address rockets fired from palestinian territory. >>> to politics, one thing not to be thankful for on the eve of this holiday season -- 2016. that's right. just two weeks after the longest, most expensive and most exhausting election in u.s. history, troubled eyes are turning this morning to 2016 speculation as it begins over the next batch of candidates. republican up and comer jeb bush jr. says his dad needs to make a run for the white house. >> your dad going to run for president? >> i don't know. no comment. i certainly hope so. >> which is it, i don't know or no comment? >> you said. i don't know. no comment, and i hope so. which ar
. >> america's commitment to israel's security is rock solid and unwavering. that's why we believe it is essential to deescalate the violence in gaza. the goal must promote regional stability and advance the security and legitimate aspirations of israelis and palestinians alike. >> as diplomatic efforts ramp up, the u.s. blocked a u.n. security council resolution yesterday condemning the conflict because the resolution didn't address rockets fired from palestinian territory....
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hillary clinton lands in israel. she's there to broker a truce between israel and hamas. and what could be her last big act before she leaves the stage. for now. >>> and that was -- was this the best out of the 2012 campaign? ♪ oh beautiful for spacious skies ♪ ♪ for amber waves of grain >> the best and worst political ads and candidates coming up in the "sideshow." >>> and let me finish with my advice for the president's second term. i think it's important for him and us. this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> okay. >>> okay. so you people are all white, 65 and over, and you live in the sticks, and you are screwing up the republican party because you are believing what i say. this is their explanation for having lost. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was rush limbaugh -- he's a performer -- yesterday telling his audience that so-called reasonable republicans have it wrong. rush is upset because they're calling him one of the problems on the right. but the problem for republicans is that they'll never expand their base if rush is the target audience. let
hillary clinton lands in israel. she's there to broker a truce between israel and hamas. and what could be her last big act before she leaves the stage. for now. >>> and that was -- was this the best out of the 2012 campaign? ♪ oh beautiful for spacious skies ♪ ♪ for amber waves of grain >> the best and worst political ads and candidates coming up in the "sideshow." >>> and let me finish with my advice for the president's second term. i think it's...
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but israel says it's not a done deal just yet. in a few hours secretary of state hillary clinton is expected to arrive in jerusalem. we'll get live reports from that region. plus, the israeli ambassador to the u.s. and "time" magazine's jim frederick all join me live in moments. oderate to severe plaque psoriasis. i decided enough is enough. ♪ [ spa lady ] i started enbrel. it's clinically proven to provide clearer skin. [ rv guy ] enbrel may not work for everyone -- and may not clear you completely, but for many, it gets skin clearer fast, within 2 months, and keeps it clearer up to 9 months. [ male announcer ] because enbrel®, etanercept, suppresses your immune system, it may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal, events including infections, tuberculosis, lymphoma, other cancers, and nervous system and blood disorders have occurred. before starting enbrel, your doctor should test you for tuberculosis and discuss whether you've been to a region where certain fungal infections are common. don't start
but israel says it's not a done deal just yet. in a few hours secretary of state hillary clinton is expected to arrive in jerusalem. we'll get live reports from that region. plus, the israeli ambassador to the u.s. and "time" magazine's jim frederick all join me live in moments. oderate to severe plaque psoriasis. i decided enough is enough. ♪ [ spa lady ] i started enbrel. it's clinically proven to provide clearer skin. [ rv guy ] enbrel may not work for everyone -- and may not...
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schools, however, still empty in the south of israel. they were all closed for a week. those within 40 kilometers of gaza, in case of rockets. and they're still closed while israel is looking at this cease-fire to see whether indeed it will be enforced. it's not only israel, the egyptian government, the u.s., everyone has invested in keeping the peace. but the peace that has been agreed so far between israel and hamas, is just peace -- let me put it this way, quiet for quiet. a lot still needs to are worked out to make sure that the cease-fire holds, alex. >> okay. martin fletcher, thank you very much, live for us from tel aviv. >>> a stern warning from one of the nation's top ceos, to lawmakers about the fiscal cliff. ceo of goldman sachs says what's in this deal is less important than just getting a deal done. >> going over the fiscal cliff, it will be very bad, hugely negative for the stock market, which is, you know, a source of people's wealth. people will feel poor. if we go over for a short period of time and adjust it, we can repair some of those things. but wha
schools, however, still empty in the south of israel. they were all closed for a week. those within 40 kilometers of gaza, in case of rockets. and they're still closed while israel is looking at this cease-fire to see whether indeed it will be enforced. it's not only israel, the egyptian government, the u.s., everyone has invested in keeping the peace. but the peace that has been agreed so far between israel and hamas, is just peace -- let me put it this way, quiet for quiet. a lot still needs...
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hillary clinton lands in israel. she's there to broker a truce between israel and hamas. and what could be her last big act before she leaves the stage. for now. >>> and that was -- was this the best out of the 2012 campaign? ♪ oh beautiful for spacious skies ♪ ♪ for amber waves of grain >> the best and worst political ads and candidates coming up in the "sideshow." >>> and let me finish with my advice for the president's second term. i think it's important for him and us. this is "hardball," the place for politics. how can you get back pain relief that lasts up to 16 hours? with thermacare heatwraps. thermacare works differently. it's the only wrap with patented heat cells that penetrate deep to relax, soothe, and unlock tight muscles. for up to 16 hours of relief, try thermacare. i'd like to thank eating right, whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans? [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't. multigrain cheerios >>> okay. so you people are all white, 65 and over, and you live in the sticks, a
hillary clinton lands in israel. she's there to broker a truce between israel and hamas. and what could be her last big act before she leaves the stage. for now. >>> and that was -- was this the best out of the 2012 campaign? ♪ oh beautiful for spacious skies ♪ ♪ for amber waves of grain >> the best and worst political ads and candidates coming up in the "sideshow." >>> and let me finish with my advice for the president's second term. i think it's...
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israel's right to defend itself. hillary clinton has met with the palestinian leader weather the egyptian president, with the israeli prime minister but not with hamas. that's going to continue to reverberate in the way that the president has dealings with the arab world going forward from this, and that's what they're looking at as they look forward to the next four years. >> the question, can she get this deal done or push it along. >> and she's dealing with a very different set of players. the playing field has changed dramatically. you have an egypt, tunisia that are no longer in the same position vis-a-vis israel. th then you have turkey, too. that's another sort of wild card where the relationship between israel and turkey deteriorated so much from 2010 to today that, you know, the u.s. really is in a position where they really can't take too many steps back from israel because it's more isolated now than it was even two years ago. so it's a complicated situation. i think that if hillary clinton can navigate it
israel's right to defend itself. hillary clinton has met with the palestinian leader weather the egyptian president, with the israeli prime minister but not with hamas. that's going to continue to reverberate in the way that the president has dealings with the arab world going forward from this, and that's what they're looking at as they look forward to the next four years. >> the question, can she get this deal done or push it along. >> and she's dealing with a very different set...
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a bit of a loss for israel. the vote feared to make palestine less likely to negotiate a peace deal directly with israel. the united nations overwhelmingly voted to upgrade palestine's status to a nonmember state, and that allows them to go after israel and international court which could delay or complicate any efforts at forming an agreement that forms two independent states of palestine and israel. ambassador susan rice said she was disappointed by the vote. the u.s. had threatened funding in the west bank in the hopes of preventing it. and rice says that the only way to truly form an independent state of palestine is through direct talks with israel, something the u.s. is committed to. despite those words, palestinians took to the streets celebrating what they consider a victory and a step toward their own independence. the real test is going to be what happens next. do both sides come to the table and start talking about peace, something both israel and palestine say that they want. reporting live in washin
a bit of a loss for israel. the vote feared to make palestine less likely to negotiate a peace deal directly with israel. the united nations overwhelmingly voted to upgrade palestine's status to a nonmember state, and that allows them to go after israel and international court which could delay or complicate any efforts at forming an agreement that forms two independent states of palestine and israel. ambassador susan rice said she was disappointed by the vote. the u.s. had threatened funding...
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how do you serve israel when many americans don't see israel's long term interest as they do. we are not talking about the hundreds of people who died in syria over the time of gaza. we have a long -- you know, the administration did a great job on the short term, but we have a long term problem that our political system won't let us figure out. >> picking up on what heather is saying it poses a test for the obama administration and the trons formation in the middle east. you see it in the fascinating relationship between president obama and morsi. two pragmatists trying to find a way to mediate this immediate conflict. you see it against the backdrop of an islamist backdrop of turkey and the riots in jordan that will cause increasing problems. you have that changing environment which you know more about. the arabs need something different. the governments need to be more responsive to their people. it's an opening for a different relationship. no american president is going to criticize, i would argue, israel's launching of this war. it is an opening for our relationship with
how do you serve israel when many americans don't see israel's long term interest as they do. we are not talking about the hundreds of people who died in syria over the time of gaza. we have a long -- you know, the administration did a great job on the short term, but we have a long term problem that our political system won't let us figure out. >> picking up on what heather is saying it poses a test for the obama administration and the trons formation in the middle east. you see it in...
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any more than it's in israel's interests. so -- but these are people who have long been in opposition and they're having to learn to balance these political calculations as they go forward. >> right. and there's no rest after election day when you're the active president. p.j. will stay with us as we turn to another discussion right on point with president obama's foreign policy team. many republicans are attacking ambassador susan rice, a top candidate to replace secretary of state clinton. the senate has spiked some key nominations from president obama before, from elizabeth warren to nobel peace prize winner peter diamond. there is one number that suggests obama is likely to win this battle. we will look at the math after the break on "now." so you say men are superior drivers? yeah. then how'd i get this... [ voice of dennis ] ...safe driving bonus check? every six months without an accident, allstate sends a check. ok. [ voice of dennis ] silence. are you in good hands? [ male announcer ] it's that time of year. time for
any more than it's in israel's interests. so -- but these are people who have long been in opposition and they're having to learn to balance these political calculations as they go forward. >> right. and there's no rest after election day when you're the active president. p.j. will stay with us as we turn to another discussion right on point with president obama's foreign policy team. many republicans are attacking ambassador susan rice, a top candidate to replace secretary of state...
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if you look at this, israel really picked the timing. israel could have gone into a war with hamas almost at any time and found its rocket launches as a pretext. but it chose to do it now. israel has been testing its iron dome defense systems, which would certainly come into play if there was a war with iran. it's been testing the new middle east, testing egypt's stance, forging new relations with rob morrison -- mohamed morsi, seeing how the arab world is post the arab spring. testing hezbollah and testing president obama, who interestingly immediately threw his lot in with israel. the president didn't say we want to call for cessation of hostilities and calm, he said we agree with israel's right to defend itself. israel's real enemy is iran. if remember netanyahu was at the u.n. holding up his bomb chart. he wasn't talking about hamas. he was talking about iran. that is israel's overriding threat. they have been able to deal with hamas pretty handedly. i've seen just yesterday israeli warships able to take out a single hamas militant w
if you look at this, israel really picked the timing. israel could have gone into a war with hamas almost at any time and found its rocket launches as a pretext. but it chose to do it now. israel has been testing its iron dome defense systems, which would certainly come into play if there was a war with iran. it's been testing the new middle east, testing egypt's stance, forging new relations with rob morrison -- mohamed morsi, seeing how the arab world is post the arab spring. testing...
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we go from there to israel. nbc's martin fletcher is standing by in tel aviv for us. benjamin netanyahu spoke to the media a couple of hours ago. what did he say, martin? >> he said that they were celebrating in gaz a. he said here israel delivered what he called a massive blow against hamas and gaza, destroying much of the military infrastructure, destroying much of their long-range rockets. he said to the israeli people that he believed the truce is lasting for israel at this time. and those are the critical words, at this time. israel is looking with great skepticism at the cease-fire, waiting to see whether rockets resume, if not now, in weeks, months, and hopefully another round will not occur. but that's everybody's expectation. i want to say to what ayman was saying about the declaration of victory in gaza. the path for victory for hamas is very, very low, and the path for victory for israel is very, very high. israel has much higher demands, a complete stop to all rockets firing. >> interesting in the balance you point out there. let me ask you quickly, martin
we go from there to israel. nbc's martin fletcher is standing by in tel aviv for us. benjamin netanyahu spoke to the media a couple of hours ago. what did he say, martin? >> he said that they were celebrating in gaz a. he said here israel delivered what he called a massive blow against hamas and gaza, destroying much of the military infrastructure, destroying much of their long-range rockets. he said to the israeli people that he believed the truce is lasting for israel at this time. and...
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they have constantly encouraged attacks against israel. iran has played a major role in terms of being the provider of the arsenal that existed there. my guess is they will now try to replenish it because the israelis have stepped back that arsenal in a fairly significant way. >> what about the suggestion that israel was doing all of this and while doing this over the last eight, nine days they were testing out the resources that hamas has and those being supported and supplied by iran? i mean, in that sense did iran play its role? >> well, again, i think we have to put it in some perspective. israel acted because they were not prepared to allow hamas to create what i call a new normal, meaning that you can't have a cease fire and hamas decides or islamist jihad decides they will disrupt whenever they want to. you can't fire rockets on an increasingly shorter interval so that they have their life constantly disrupted. the israelis saw this taking place and hamas was having more involvement in the attacks. the israelis decided they could no
they have constantly encouraged attacks against israel. iran has played a major role in terms of being the provider of the arsenal that existed there. my guess is they will now try to replenish it because the israelis have stepped back that arsenal in a fairly significant way. >> what about the suggestion that israel was doing all of this and while doing this over the last eight, nine days they were testing out the resources that hamas has and those being supported and supplied by iran? i...